Fasting and Biological Age With Dr. Valter Longo
How old are you? A better question might be: how old do you feel? While your birthday says one thing, your biological age—the health of your cells—might tell a very different story. And here’s the best part: unlike your chronological age, your biological age can go down.
But how? For years, fasting has been celebrated as a key to longevity. Yet the challenge of skipping meals is enough to make most of us shy away. What if you could trick your body into reaping the rewards of fasting—without starving yourself?
This week, we’re joined by Dr. Valter Longo, Director of the Longevity Institute at USC and one of TIME’s 50 most influential people in healthcare. Valter’s groundbreaking research on aging and his FMD program have transformed how we think about health and longevity. Joining him is Tim Spector, ZOE’s co-founder and one of the world’s top 100 most-cited scientists
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Studies references in today’s episode
Programmed longevity, youthspan, and juventology, 2018, published in Aging Cell
Yeast Chronological Lifespan: Longevity Regulatory Genes and Mechanisms, 2022, published in Cells
Chronological Aging in Saccharomyces cerevisiae, 2012, published in Subcell Biochemistry
Low protein intake is associated with a major reduction in IGF-1, cancer, and overall mortality in the 65 and younger but not older population, 2014, published in Cell Metabolism
Growth Hormone Receptor Deficiency is Associated With a Major Reduction in Pro-aging Signaling, Cancer and Diabetes in Humans, 2012, published in Science Translational Medicine
Transcript
Jonathan Wolf: Valter, thank you for joining me today.
Dr. Valter Longo: Well, thanks for having me. Happy to be here.
Jonathan Wolf: It's a pleasure. And Tim, thank you as well.
Prof. Tim Spector: Pleasure.
Jonathan Wolf: So we have a tradition here at ZOE where we always start with a quick-fire round of questions from our listeners. And we have very strict rules. You can say yes or no, or if you absolutely have to, you can give us a one-sentence answer.
It's designed to be really hard for professors. Are you willing to give it a go?
Dr. Valter Longo: Sure.
Jonathan Wolf: All right, starting with you, Valter. Do we have more influence over aging than we realize?
Dr. Valter Longo: Yes.
Jonathan Wolf: Does having a longer eating window accelerate the aging process?
Dr. Valter Longo: Not necessarily.
Jonathan Wolf: Tim, could having a shorter eating window give you more energy?
Prof. Tim Spector: Yes, definitely.
Jonathan Wolf: Valter, can we get the effects of fasting while still eating something?
Dr. Valter Longo: Yes.
Jonathan Wolf: And finally, you have a whole sentence. What's the most surprising thing that you've learned about aging?
Dr. Valter Longo: Probably that there is a way to turn on these reprogramming factors and rejuvenate the system without causing necessarily a lot of damage.
So that to me, it was a little surprising when Belmont and others came up with it.
Jonathan Wolf: I'm definitely going to come back to that because you've raised more questions than answers for me at this point. So I'm very excited to get into it.
I was actually thinking just as we were getting ready for this podcast, that when I was younger, I never gave any thought to aging. I think like most young people, I just assumed I was going to stay young forever. Needless to say, I was wrong about that. And probably about many other things that I believed when I was 20.
So now I'm in my late forties and I find myself thinking about aging a lot more often and sometimes worrying about that. So I'm eager to learn how I could stay healthy for many more years, and I'm excited to talk about it with the two of you.
Valter, could you start at the beginning by helping us to understand what's the difference between our actual age by, our number of birthdays and our biological age?
Dr. Valter Longo: Essentially, how functional are you? How able are you to reproduce, to run fast, et cetera, et cetera? In fact, some years ago, I introduced the concept of juventology, to contrast gerontology because it's also the concept of how young you are versus are you aging or not.
So I think that we're missing this idea of youth span. I call it the youth span, right? So you've been told juventology and youth span. So the measure of how young you are. So if you're 55, can you still run like a 35-year-old? Right?
So that I think is still somewhat missing in the field, you know, the measurement of youth.
Jonathan Wolf: And Valter, if I'm 49 by the number of birthdays I've had and maybe let's say that means I'm going to live for another 30 years.
If you figure out my biological age is 39, does that mean I'm literally going to live for an extra decade? Is that literally what biological age means?
Dr. Valter Longo: It means that your life expectancy is that. It's going to be prolonged but doesn't mean that you will live that much longer but so on average your life expectancy will be extended.
Jonathan Wolf: So it's really like measuring like the actual state of my body being like an average person who's thirty-nine rather than forty-nine
Dr. Valter Longo: I don't even know that we should use chronological age. I mean, assuming that the measurements are valid, but if that's true, then you are 39, no matter what your chronological age says.
Jonathan Wolf: And is it possible to have a biological age that is very different from your actual age?
Dr. Valter Longo: Absolutely. So there was a study years ago, showing I think they were all chronologically 38 years old and some of them biologically were in their 20s and some of them were in their 40s and if not later.
When it comes to aging, everyone goes through the same processes, but individuals can age at different rates. Genetic factors play a significant role in how quickly someone ages. For example, individuals with a growth hormone receptor mutation in Ecuador live longer and have a lower risk of diseases. Certain genetic variations can predispose individuals to live longer, along with lifestyle choices and environmental factors. While genetics play a role in determining lifespan, lifestyle choices and environmental factors have a greater impact on aging in the general population.
Fasting is another factor that can influence gene expression and aging. Fasting can cause significant changes in the body, potentially more than any other intervention. For example, fasting for five days can lead to significant changes in the body's gene expression. This highlights the potential of fasting as a tool for slowing down the aging process and promoting longevity. To achieve a state where the body burns fat and relies on fatty acids and ketone bodies for energy, one must tap into the internal energy source. Ketogenesis is the process of producing ketone bodies from fat breakdown, which the body then reprocesses. After a few days of fasting, the brain can function on both glucose and ketone bodies, while the heart can use fatty acids. Glycerol and amino acids can be used for gluconeogenesis to produce glucose when no external carbohydrates are consumed.
Autophagy, the process where cells self-cannibalize to eliminate accumulated junk, typically takes about five days of fasting to become noticeable in the blood. While fasting for shorter periods may not induce autophagy, there are still positive impacts on the body. Time-restricted eating, such as a 12-hour fasting period, can improve health without the potential negative effects associated with longer fasting durations. Studies in mice suggest that such eating patterns can reduce biological age and potentially prolong lifespan. However, prolonged fasting periods of 14-18 hours or more may have short-term benefits but could potentially lead to increased mortality in the long run. Many drugs and interventions, such as GLP-1, may provide short-term benefits but may not consider the long-term effects. Fasting, on the other hand, has shown to be powerful and safe, especially with a 12-hour fasting period. Studies have shown positive effects on aging and metabolic issues with this approach. The ZOE Big If study, which focused on time-restricted eating, had over 140,000 participants, with a third finding it easy to adhere to and experiencing benefits such as weight loss and improved mood. Personalization is key, as some may find it harder to fast for long periods. The importance lies in sustaining the practice for long-term benefits. Dr. Valter Longo's fasting-mimicking diet is another approach that treats fasting like medicine, showing promising results for longevity and disease resistance. We applied our knowledge to identify four markers - IGF 1, IGF PP1, glucose, and ketone bodies - to assess the effects of fasting-mimicking diets and water-only fasting. By combining these findings with periodic fasting, we developed a low-calorie, low-protein, low-sugar, high-fat plant-based diet lasting four to seven days. This regimen, known as the fasting-mimicking diet, has shown promising results in treating various conditions, including diabetes.
Through clinical trials, we have observed significant improvements in patients, with some experiencing diabetes regression and reduced drug use. The concept of periodic fasting-mimicking diets, done once every few months, has shown to not only improve health but also potentially reverse biological aging. Long-term studies are ongoing to assess the sustainability of these effects and to determine the optimal frequency of fasting cycles for maximum benefits. Damage to the kidney initiates the cycles of the fasting-mimicking diet, causing the kidney to activate developmental genes, such as Yamanaka factors, which can reprogram cells into a young pluripotent state. Special transcriptomics show the disruption caused by toxins, but the fasting-mimicking diet restores gene expression to normal, allowing the body to reset and repair itself.
In a pilot trial with 13 patients, the fasting-mimicking diet showed long-term benefits in kidney disease markers after just three cycles. Larger trials in various diseases are promising, with universities conducting studies on diabetes, Crohn's disease, colitis, and more, based on the success seen in animal models.
The fasting-mimicking diet involves a specific protocol of low-calorie, low-sugar, low-protein, high-fat meals tailored to different conditions. While fasting can promote longevity, a holistic approach to anti-aging includes a healthy daily diet, avoiding ultra-processed foods, maintaining muscle mass, and caring for gut health to reduce inflammation and support the aging process. Tim will explain the information to me later, as I think I only grasped half of it. In summary, biological age is not the same as chronological age. Your lifestyle can determine whether your body is that of a younger or older person, regardless of the number of birthdays you've had. Valter's research on mice showed that changing one gene and calorie restricting them could double their lifespan. Fasting has a significant impact on our biology, as it triggers a profound shift in our bodies to ensure survival.
Time-restricted eating, limiting eating to 12 hours and fasting for 12 hours, is believed to help maintain youthfulness. Tim suggested that fasting for 14 hours a day may be safe. Both Tim and Valter agreed that very short eating windows of six to eight hours may not be healthy. Valter introduced the concept of a fasting-mimicking diet, which involves eating a specially designed low-calorie meal for five days, three times a year, to trigger a fasting-like response without complete starvation.
Valter's studies showed that participants who followed the fasting-mimicking diet saw improvements in their biological age. However, both Valter and Tim emphasized the importance of not overdoing it and waiting for more long-term data on the diet's effects. Tim highlighted the significance of maintaining a healthy diet beyond fasting, especially avoiding high levels of ultra-processed foods.
Overall, the discussion emphasized the potential benefits of fasting and the importance of considering diet in conjunction with fasting for optimal health. sentence: The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog.
Rewritten sentence: A speedy brown fox leaps over a lethargic dog.